Senate Bill 6 has local opposition
Sara Kaufman  |  March 12, 2010  |   17 Comments
 

The trend in education may be heading towards performance pay, but the St. Johns County School District isn’t sure how it will work.

"This is the third time the Legislature has brought up a performance pay package," said Bill Fehling, district four school board member. "For the most part, we are okay with the theory. The ability to properly measure the performance is not quite that easy."

Sen. John Thrasher proposed the Education Personnel bill — Senate Bill 6 — earlier this year which contains a mandate that certain performance criteria be included in district adopted salary schedules.

Thrasher’s bill amends Florida Statute 1012.22 paragraph C subsection one. The original statute states that a district school board shall adopt a salary schedule "designed to furnish incentives for improvement in training and for continued efficient service." Senate Bill 6 amends the statute so it would state "the district school board shall adopt a salary schedule that compensates employees based on their performance."

Fehling said there are more things performance pay doesn’t measure than what it does.

"Not all of our children can be treated like a widget," Fehling said. "They are all different."

Fehling said the education field is different than the business field and that he has heard comments from local teachers who say they do not support the initiative.

"In education, as an industry, everyone gets along [and works together]," said Fehling, about the practice of teachers sharing ideas and strategies with each other. "Teachers are worried that you may lose some of that because it becomes a competition [with performance pay.]"

Senate Bill 6 seeks to amend the statute so "more than 50 percent" of each employee’s compensation must be based on student learning gains. The bill deletes a provision in the statute that requires a district school board to consider prior teaching experience and professional experience in the field of education as a basis for compensation.

Additionally, the bill defines terms of employment for teachers hired after July 1, 2010. Each new person hired after that date will receive a probationary contract for one year during which that teacher may be dismissed without cause. The bill states classroom teachers may receive up to five annual contracts in a school district. In order to obtain an annual contract for the sixth year, the teacher must hold a professional certificate from the State Board of Education and have been recommended by the district superintendent for the contract.

Fehling said he is not certain that Thrasher’s bill would pass during this legislative session, but said that doesn’t mean it’s gone forever.

"If [Senate Bill 6] doesn’t pass it doesn’t mean it’s gone," he said. "We are doing what we still think is best for the classroom and the students. We know what our community wants and needs. We are gearing our education based on that because it is right."

At The Recorder’s press time, Senate Bill 6 was in the Senate Committee for Education Pre-K through 12.

 
 

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DC
March 13th 2010 - 1:10PM
Bad idea. Florida already has the worst schools and this will do nothing to attract better teachers. I'm going into educatoin in FL right now and this has me thinking I'll become a teacher in MD instead.
 
kat
March 13th 2010 - 6:48PM
think about it...this will be nationwide very soon, not only Florida
 
John
March 14th 2010 - 8:34AM
Senate Bill 6 will never work. Teaching is a fine art that entails much more than how students perform on standardized tests. There can not be a price placed on the value of a good teacher, much like there can't be a price placed on the value of a good parent. Should police officers be paid based on how many arrests they make or tickets they write?
 
Ressy
March 15th 2010 - 10:05AM
It is a terrible idea in which no one can come up with a good math table to guide equitable evaluation. To exemplify, if Sue is in a low-performing school and many of her students have poor attendance, how equitable is it judge her by the same standards as her counterpart, Sam, who is in an affluent neighborhood with a school that has great attendance? By the same token if Sam's students demonstrate a high level of proficiency on a single test but show very little growth over the course of the year, how fair is it to judge him as incompetent if not much growth is realized by his high performing students? Our curriculums and time parameters can only do so much when course work is not specialized for a particular career in which on the job training becomes the best teacher. In teaching there are too many variables beyond a teacher's control, particularly when dealing with young adults in secondary school. It is just the nature of the beast. School failure in this day in age is a reflection of societal failure brought on by the powers that be. There is no moral compass to guide sound decisions anymore. It has been broken by profit and greed. Teachers should not be used as the scapegoat of those that are really pushing for their ultimate goal of buying and selling education on the stock market. Those that support equating public educational institutions with a business model and placing teachers on a corporate ladder that climbs them to nowhere, beware. Our current global economic situation reveals what happens to all those other than the fat cat businessman and his legislative partners who have lined their pockets off the collective misfortune of the “others.”
 
Mike
March 18th 2010 - 11:08PM
We should hold thrasher to the same level of accountability as he wants to hold teachers to. My taxes are higher than ever, people are on unemployment, health care is stalled and thrasher is trying to figure out ways he can nickel and dime teachers? R u kidding me!? Teachers are underpaid to begin with, who work after hours to tutor and now it is the teachers fault when jhonny does not learn? You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I think thrasher needs to loose his job. And btw this bill also causes teacher who exceed standards for 5 years in a row to be dismissed from their school! They r then sent to a low performing school and if they can't raise scores they loose their lisence! WTF!!!!!!!!!
 
fred
March 20th 2010 - 4:43PM
Ok, Mr.Thrasher, what crawled up your arse? Senators are nothing but OVERPAID politicians! Lets take your record. I say we start there and then decide what to compensate you based on your record. Did you attend all meeting, did you accomplish anything in an effecient manner. WE ALL NEED TO DEMAND MORE FROM OUR TAX BASE MR.THRASHER, SHOW US YOU ARE WORTH YOUR SALARY/PERKS/PAID HEALTHCARE/TRAVEL BENEFITS. HELL, WE COULD HIRE 12 TEACHERS AND MOSTLY LIKELY 3 PARAPROFESSIONALS WITH YOUR ONE SALARY.
 
Pep
March 21st 2010 - 10:30PM
To Mike, Saint Johns County is blessed with a high achieving school district. Be thankful. Pres. Obama announced a 4.3 billion competition “Race to the top" competition this summer for all states. It is now already narrowed to 16 states with Fl in the running for $700,000,000 of those funds if SB 6 passes. Obama will use the winning states as a model with the goal of all 50 states having a form of SB 6 by 2013-2014. Do you think the 700 Million would help our schools and our economy and even reduce our tax burden. Do you think Florida should lead or follow? Ask Tim Tiebow? You might want to be better informed the next time you respond. Please Read THE AUDACITY OF HOPE by Barack Obama. Its 374 pages long. To simplify it more read chapter OPPORTUNITY in full or just pages 162 and 163. Then research "Race to the top" If you need further assistance contact Mrs. Hutchinson Liberian at Sebastian Middle School winner of the reading award for St. Johns Schools for the past 14 years. She is by far the best Liberian I know. As for the county I live in we have the highest % of D schools or lower over 10 schools per district in the state,all our high schools are D. Want to trade. I believe in my counties High School evaluations 100% of the teaches were given a satisfactory evaluation last year and all retained. Interesting don’t you think. And of course I truly wish you the very best. I also suggest a follow up book “The World is Flat” by Thomas Friedman, And tell Mrs. Hutchinson I said Hi.
 
Pep
March 21st 2010 - 10:48PM
Fred, I believe Florida Senators are paid a base of $28,000 a year. This is less than a first year teacher or a member of your school board. Which is the highest in the nation? I wish you the very best on you next math course.
 
destinEd
March 23rd 2010 - 6:28AM
I like the idea in theory. But it scares me that Obama is so heavily in favor of it. Especially after he just thwarted the will of the people and crammed this Health Care law down our collective throats. So... hmm.... not so sure now.
 
Matt
March 24th 2010 - 12:43PM
Pep, just b/c Obama may give FL 700,000,000 dollars does not mean it is the right thing to do. You are obviously not a teacher. The measures they are thinking about using are inherently flawed and it is especially hard in public schools (elementary school) where parental involvement and a student's willingness to learn are of the utmost importance. I am a lawyer and a product of the public schools of FL, believe me - if i made it, anyone can.
 
Matt
March 24th 2010 - 12:46PM
Pep, Obama will hopefully be out of a job in a couple of years and then we won't have to worry about this garbage that is going into our legislature. Why didnt obama have a state race-to-the-top for healthcare with the best states' performance being the model rather than a nationalized system that disregards each state's uniqueness?
 
UN-PEP-ED
March 25th 2010 - 12:01AM
Oh Pep. Please do not be delusional. First of all, learn how to spell LIBRARIAN before you write a comment about education. Second, don't be naive and think that Senator Thrasher is only making $28,000 per year. With the money he will get as a kickback from the Jeb Bush for authoring this bogus legislation, you and I could retire 5 times. Wake up! Education cannot be run like a business with success being based solely on outcome. Not all of the students we teach come with 140 IQ's.
 
UN-PEP-ED
March 25th 2010 - 12:02AM
Oh, and by the way, SB 6 passed 21-17 in the Senate today.
 
Brian
March 25th 2010 - 3:40AM
Typical politician's thinking! They are always looking for the scapegoat and NEVER addressing the real issue. Please remember "Politician" ORIGINATED FROM THE WORDS "MANY BLOODSUCKERS", ENOUGH SAID. I have been a teacher for 31 years and 23 were in the inner city. I have seen first hand what the welfare state has done to kids. The real problems lies in the family. I was "dad" and for 90% of my students in the inner city the only male authority figure in their lives. How can you hold a Teacher accountable if the kid is completely "messed up" and programmed to fail by age 12? I gave my heart and soul to kids every day, but I am not Jesus Christ and I do not walk on water. How about a vibrant economy and financial education in the classroom to keep the family unit together instead of policies that buy votes and undermine the foundation of the family. Why is Truth always the first victim?
 
Tim
March 27th 2010 - 8:35AM
Pep, I think that you know nothing about teachers pay.. My wife is a teacher in FL now. We moved here from NC and you are way off on your information. Check your facts before you run your mouth!
 
Jerry
March 28th 2010 - 8:56AM
Way to go, Ressy! Finally someone who says it like it REALLY IS!!!
 
Teddy
May 3rd 2010 - 11:38AM
I was told that this bill had a law hidden in it that come March 18th, 2013 U S citizens would only be allowed to take 60 or 70% of their savings out of the country and I want to retire in Belize but I need all my money. Does anyone know if this is correct and where I would find it. Thanks
 
 
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